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Shirdi Sai Baba and a Few Dubious Miracles

January 17, 2009

Shirdi Sai Baba is a rock star in our family. The Elvis who continues to live, breathe, eat and sleep in the hearts of some of my family members almost a century after his death – thanks to the blind devotion and dishonest, deluded propaganda of millions of mindless devotees (There’s also been a TV serial on his life).  Some in my family are life-long devotees and die-hard fans of this so-called “saint”. They believe in Sai Baba’s  miracles so much that even the smallest things are now considered miracles divinely executed by this baba(saint). When I was a believer, I used to faintly believe in some of them, but now that my blindness in God and religion has been cured I see how ludicrous and farcical these claims are.  However, any sceptical questions about his life or miracles are sneered upon by his believers and inevitably leads to livid remarks like “you don’t have the right to say such things about baba”.  Can someone tell these believers that it is not only our right but our moral duty to question such dubious claims.  Btw, did someone say that freedom of speech is guaranteed by our constitution?

 

 

 

Believers often forget, that just because they respect a person doesn’t necessarily mean that othersare bound by some law to respect that person as well. And, the hypocrisy is even more shameless when the same devotee who would turn red with anger at someone’s criticism of his/her object of devotion turn around immediately and criticize someone else’s object of devotion. For example, I have come across many Hindus who wouldn’t tolerate any criticism of Krishna and yet wouldn’t hesitate for a moment before cracking dirty jokes about prophet Mohammad. Muslims and Christian are no less guilty of such behavior either.

Anyway, I digress.  The object of this post was to show how blind, deluded and  ludicrous some of these claims of “divine miracle” are. Recently I stumbled upon this blog (shirdi-saibaba-mydeva) quite by chance and couldn’t stop lauging at the stories published as miracles of Sai baba or ” Sai leela” as the devotees like to call the miracles.  I remembered when I used to be blind and deluded too and was laughing at myself for ever believing in such stupid mumbo-jumbo.

If you are bored, feeling sleepy and coffee is not doing the trick I highly recommend blogs like the one above or thisone. I wonder why people bother to subscribe to joke-of-the-day anyway when we have such crackingly humorous blogs around. You will be amazed at what passes off as miracles and keep wondering how apparently nice, sane, intelligent people can  believe, participate and propagate such ridiculous claims of miracles by a long-dead saint (question to self too).

Ok. So here are the synopses of  the 3 latest posts from this blog –

I Am Carefully Watching Your Inner Heart

There’s this guy (girl?) Ryan who goes to Surinam on a holiday and every morning  prays to Baba to show him a miracle .  And guess what miracle he(she) is hoping for?  

“I always used to pray to Baba that Sai let me buy something for you”

WOW!! Isn’t that a miracle worth asking for? It’s not world peace. It’s not alleviation of poverty. It’s not eradication of disease which I am sure would be a true miracle. Nothing of that sort but a selfish innocent wish. Anyways, so one day this guy finds a giant idol of saibaba at a shopping mall and goes crazy (LOL!!). He requests his parents to buy it but his parents refuse.  That evening he goes to the same shopping mall (miraculously !!) with some family friends and asks his sister to buy it and after dinner his sister obliges and buys him the idol !! Surprised ?? Shocked ?? Inquisitive as to what was the miracle in buying a doll for a pesky child. Here’s the answer from the person himself.

While I was seeing other Murties (idols) of Baba I realised my murti is special (oh, oh, I can’t wait !! pray tell us how ?) from others I cannot explain in words as what special but something very special which can only be felt (Ah! I thought so ) . Really I still don’t know as how we went to the same mall on the same day and how I bought that Baba’s murti ,its nothing but Baba’s leela only which Sai showed me and increased my faith in his lotus feet. “

Btw did I tell you the miraculous story of how one day, I wanted a compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL bulb) and miraculously drove to the same Walmart twice in one day, in the same car and wearing the exact same clothes and bought a spanking new CFL bulb – the last one on the shelf. And did I forget to mention how special it was. No. No. I cannot describe it. You have to feel it to know how special it was. What a miracle !! Praise the Lord !! 

I am constantly amazed at the level of infantile thinking of people who write and publish such stuff . Now would they have called it a miracle had some child asked for a barbie doll and got it.  Nope !! We also have to consider that this person didn’t find the idol deep in the Sahara desert or the jungles of Amazon. He actually went an bought it from a shop. Now isn’t that a miracle ? Btw, Surinam’s largest ethnic group constitutes of Hindus (~28%) who are descendants of Indian workers brought by the British more than a century ago. So the chances of finding a famous idol was pretty high in such a country. I challenge the person to ask baba to show the same miracle in the Sahara or  Siberia or Antarctica where the probability of finding such an idol is remote.  Why not from thin air ?  If baba still shows up, THAT would probably qualify as a miracle !!

 My Life Rotates Around Sai – Vikram

Vikram is atheist (what good is religious propaganda if it cannot convert non-believers to believers) who is also a struggling engineering student. A professor of his has a grudge against him and is failing him constantly in his exam. He has managed to pass all engineering exams but has been flunking in this professor’s paper for the last 3 years. Then one day he escorts his cousin for a holy pilgrimage to Shirdi (the home town of Sai baba) and just for the sake of it offers his prayers and asks baba to help him pass the exam.  While returning from Shirdi, this guy has high fever and vomits several times. On returning home, his mother gives him some milk and medicine. But (surprisingly??!!) he gets well the next morning and he’s amazed that he got well so soon (read miraculously). But wait ! That’s not the end of the story although you probably guessed it. A week later a friend of his calls him and guess what he conveys ? Lo and behold,  he PASSED the exam !!!

And here is what he thinks of this incident

“Today, I realize how Baba had pulled this sparrow (me) towards him. How he cleaned my body of impurity and negativity by making me vomit throughout the trip back to Mumbai. How great he is, I cannot explain.” 

How could this happen?!! How can a person who has been given medicine be cured so quickly of fever? This must be the first incident in the annals of human history where a person has been cured overnight after taking medicine. Never mind the fact that the fever may have been caused by excessive heat, bad food, polluted drinking water or a variety of other factors. Nopes. It must be this dead saint cleaning his body of impurity from the heavens. Oh ! and  I almost forgot. Silly me. Every time you see someone vomiting or running high fever, don’t give him(her) any medicine. Because, it is actually the Sai working his magic from his heavenly abode and cleaning millions of people of impurity and negativity.

And the exam incident? How can a person who has been studying one single subject for the last 3 years pass the exam? He did study and physically appear for the exam didn’t he? He probably was a straight A student too? So logic dictates, that if you have been studying a subject for 3 years and physically appear to take the exam, you should surely fail, right? So how did he pass? What changed the heart of such a heartless professor? It is also unlikely that the professor or the department got tired of him and kicked him out. After all they lovingly kept him for 3 years, didn’t they? No, No. That’s impossible. It must be Sai’s miracle.   And, Yes, 2 + 2 = 5.

Sai Helped Me Also On O’Hare Airport

Ranjith is trying to reach Cincinnati on Christmas day but misses his connecting flight due to bad weather at Chicago O’hare airport.  He doesn’t have a cell phone and when he calls up his friend in Cincinnati from the pay phone his friend doesn’t pick up the phone (Baba’s miracle after all !).  He also doesn’t have his friend’s address, so is wondering what would happen if he reaches Cincinnati and his friend isn’t there (we can only hope that his friend is smart enough to check  flight schedules before coming) . Anyway this person is crazy scared and is almost on the verge of tears as it seems he won’t get a flight to Cincinnati in the next day or two (and what if baba forgets to check his miracle-manifesting appointment book and doesn’t come to his help?!).

 

 

 

So he musters enough courage to approach the airlines staff and asks them if they can put him on the 9:30 pm flight to Cincinnati. One of them, after looking at the computer monitor, informs him that all the flights are booked and he has to wait for the next available flight. But then out of nowhere (by baba’s miracle) the other staff says ” hey wait its not possible because my system says that there is one seat” (the fact that this staff knew instantly and confidently claimed that it not her system making the error but the other staff’s, is also a miracle if you come to think of it). Anyway both of them are confused about this discrepancy but finally gives the seat to  Ranjith who safely reaches Cincinnati to find his friend waiting for him, even after 4-5 hours. A Miracle indeed !!

 

Reading this story, one would be inclined to think that such incidents happen one-in-a-thousand times (or a million, which still would not make it a miracle but a highly improbable event statistically). But unfortunately it is not. In all my years of travel, whenever I have been stuck due to bad weather, I have always been able to find a flight within a few hours of the weather getting better, even when all flights were booked. In fact when I first came to the States, I remember missing my connecting flight (which was the last flight that night) from Chicago Ohare due to exactly the same reason (weather) and the airline not only provided me with food and hotel accommodation (which they are not obligated to do as per their policies), they also could provide me a seat on a flight the next morning, in spite of all flights being booked (and I have never been a Sai devotee. Maybe baba is just too kind to everyone including agnostics like me whom he himself didn’t like too much). Yes, people have been stranded at airports for days due to bad weather but not due to flights being booked (the fact that he could fly to Cincinnati means that weather was flight-worthy) and if it happens, it’s more of a rarity than a rule (remember these airlines are running a business and wouldn’t want that for the sake of their business).

Moreover, if technical glitches in softwares were highly uncommon (not that there was a glitch but maybe the first airline staff overlooked an empty seat) and this gentleman was the only one out of several thousand passengers who got a ticket due to that (which I doubt), then it could still be considered a miracle. But anyone who has travelled considerably or worked with any reservation software will attest that such software glitches do happen and people often find themselves in favorable or unfavorable circumstances irrespective of their belief in Sai baba.

 

In this post, I have taken a few examples from that blog to show how faith operates and how it makes one blind to other possibilities.  It shows that some people are so blinded by their faith that they seem to find miracles in everything and even when there isn’t any, they interpret events in such a way so as to make them seem like miracles. I am not a psychiatrist but it is possible that a belief in miracles make these people feel special. Makes them feel that someone is out there looking out for them. For these  people the outcome of a favorable event has one and only one possibility – the deity or their object of devotion working in ways to help them achieve what they want.

Yet, they never stop to ask ,if Sai baba is really that powerful why isn’t he helping each and every devotee and granting each and every wish? What is so special about them that baba favors when thousands of other Sai devotees suffer from poverty and disease and mishaps? Why is their suffering no less than people of other faiths or of agnostics/atheists (I personally know of  an extremely devoted Sai devotee who suffers from excruciating arthritic pain )? These people forget that for every claim of a so-called miracle, there are thousands of other devotees who are suffering from the same problem or affliction without getting cured. The typical answer is “it is their karma”, “they are not devoted enough” or “Sai in his divine wisdom knows best” and the best one ” You will know if you accept him in your heart” . Oh Really ! Then why don’t you tell me.

These devotees are so rationally-challenged that they are always making the same connection – if X then only Y. It’s never if X then W, Y or Z. These devotees are always trying to escape the reality of the situation with dogmatic excuses like the ones I mentioned above. Not that they never have doubts. They do, but as soon as they have them they drown it under the weight of their own blindness and call it “faith”, and they are mighty proud of it. 

Frankly, I don’t care whom they are praying to and how they are praying. Well, Ok I take that back. I do care a bit. Yes, I do want them to think and reason. I do want them to critically evaluate these questions and then decide whether to keep them or to throw them away . But hey, I can’t expect people to live their lives by my standards. I can’t cure a blind person if he/she willingly accepts his/her blindness. However my contention is with the false, misleading propaganda and outright lies some of these people engage in. The huge leaps of logic they are wiling to make to prove a point. The dogmatic insistence that something is true without providing reasonable proof. Yes, I do take that seriously and will continue to write,ridicule and point it out.  If that means offending their religious “sentiments” , if that means “hurting” their inocent “feelings”, then so be it !!

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  1. Sowmya permalink
    April 1, 2010 9:39 pm

    Well, i prayed him for 1 desire 1 wish, did fasting from past 6 months gave books to others went to temples read books .. offered food as directed by my friend .. which proved nothing … i have heard of miracles it is all bullshit … nothing came true .. this is all just to misguide people … i lost my patience now i stopped praying him .. if any1 comes and talk to me abt Sai baba far sure ill hit them or give a tight slap.trust me … its all rubbish ..I know ia m being very rude at this but when we trust smething and do .. it has to be fulfilled hes a fake …

    • Srivaths permalink
      January 23, 2017 10:44 pm

      Lol. You should do all these unconditionally to help others. Not for Saibaba or not for you. By “unconditional” i mean you should not expect anything in return. You will get that joy of giving.

  2. AVINASH permalink
    April 18, 2010 4:32 pm

    Dear nitwitnastik,

    It’s nice to read some of your comments and your approach towards religion through scientific enquiry. But can you address each and every aspect of your life through this scientific enquiry.

    To give an example, did you ever think who we really are? The more one thinks on this question the deeper he dives.

    Now coming to the belief of people on Saibaba/God

    1. every man reacts to a situation depending on his emotional maturity, and exposure. No doubt some people start believing god (baba) blindly, but in all our scriptures, it is clearly mentioned that the religion is to be followed with a sense of detachment and discrimination.

    So it is more of a wrong implementation of the concept of religion, as such religion itself cannot be blamed.

    I agree some of the miracles that people feel are more due to emotional weakness of the person, but that was the exposure he got in life. And during crisis it is quite natural for a person to become emotionally week, the threshold value varies. It’s just another pitfall in the path of Bakthi. Initially a person should start with discrimiation in the path of bakthi, and slowly that dicrimination wades off and real faith builds in a person (not referring to emotional weekness).
    When a person reaches that stage of maturity in the path, that’s when he really feels the miracles

    There are really some good examples of miracles that many devotees report. Many great saints, life Swami Vivekananda, Shri Aurabindo, Ramana Maharshi etc, are a practical examples of people who validated the concept of faith, and a good point to note note here is h that they had a scientific approach, that what i think we need to learn

    I feel based on few exceptions generalising that religion (the concept of God is) itself is bad not the right approach.

    • August 17, 2012 9:06 am

      The more one thinks in isolation from science, the deeper one dives into subjective confusion and delusion. Who we really are? Don’t make me laugh! The concept of God is one thing, and that is all there is to God.

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 7:50 am

      God is only for weak-hearted people..Religion divides people. To know what is good/bad you need brain not religion. A miracle is a miracle unless one wants to find the reason behind it. Not every one have the the will and courage to find answers as they they are GOD FEARING PEOPLE..

    • Varadh permalink
      January 21, 2017 12:31 am

      I too started baba worship 5 years ago. At that time I was in thick of my problems. Turning back and looking those days, I can say for sure I would have broken had it not for Baba’s grace. It works like this, for simple problems we can find a solution easily. Eg, issues with money or studies. Hardwork and some guidance from people should solve. But there are deeper emotional issues like loss of loved ones which requires guidance from higher spirit. I was like a child lost in jungle and every other day one or the other problem crops up. My mind was fixed on baba and I did not noticed those problems mentally. Now I realize just because I removed my mind from those problems I came unscathed. Now I am lot better 🙂

  3. Suraj permalink
    May 6, 2010 4:09 am

    I am deeply touched with simple words of Parthu…..” pl stop your nonsense and remember sai when you need and you will see who is he?” …..Exactly same thing happened with me. One final word for those who unnecessarily create problems by writing wrong things about Shirdi Sai Baba………….As human being each one will have one or the other problem. Just as a trail basis in your deepest of problems when nothing can help (Don’t pretend again saying that self believers will not end up in problems/they will find solutions for them selves), remember him and then see the results…I did several tests like this and then started to belive.

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 7:52 am

      What did this baba do to the mankind other than lighting up his lamps with oil..Pls start questioning..Only then you will get answers..If you beleive in urself you do not need these gods and babas. Be strong minded..

    • November 14, 2013 12:33 pm

      Its pretty simple. Half the time they get something after they pray and half the time they don’t. When they do get it, it’s called a miracle although most the prayers and wishes seem trivial and ludicrously self-centered. When their wishes don’t come true, they don’t say Baba is powerless. Its absurd.

  4. Lakshmanan K.N permalink
    May 14, 2010 4:22 am

    i am also like you, very clever, intelligent and argumentative about gods existence. But i was proved wrong. You may also realize the same shortly.

    Bye

    • August 17, 2012 9:04 am

      Your comment shows that you are a dupe… not at all clever, but argumentative, yes. Intelligent… all homo sapiens sapiens have intelligence, but one has to use it, not rely on belief.

  5. Not a nitwit! permalink
    May 28, 2010 4:07 am

    u need d intellect to understand d miraclez, easy to ridicule…if u think of em as crap….u try helpin ppl out solvin der problems…..u cant! i bet u wont even try…..datz d difference……don believe in god!remain silent…..y ‘id ya wanna comment if u havent actually xperienced any dejection frm Sai..

    he helpz ppl in distress,problems…respect dat!

    look at your postz some of dem r filth…dey happen nly wen u dont believe in a positive power..GOD!

    god asks u to do nly good thinz,help ppl n al….dat z all…..

    • August 17, 2012 9:17 am

      Gor blimey!

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 7:54 am

      To have a positive power, use your reasoning power not blind faith

    • November 14, 2013 12:43 pm

      “y ‘id ya wanna comment if u havent actually xperienced any dejection frm Sai..””

      You know the meaning of the word “faith”? It’s believing in something without evidence. It is hilarious how you say one needs intelligence to understand a miracle. And you are just deviating away from the real argument — are these so called miracles, real? It really doesn’t matter if the author or anyone for that matter could help someone, it still doesn’t change the truth status of the matter. Btw, non-believers also do charitable acts.

      “don believe in god!remain silent…..

      We don’t have to stay silent when most religious people say that we are destined to hell and deserved to be tortured for a simple reason as non-believing. Also, religious people’s actions and beliefs impact us directly or indirectly. So we do have all the right to make fun of your deluded people who believe in magic men.

  6. Rupa permalink
    August 16, 2010 2:05 am

    Hi buddy, if you do not believe in baba atleast you need not criticise the incidents told by his devotees right, your thinking is good for you why do you wanna project it to every one

    • August 17, 2012 9:17 am

      It is told of Shirdi Sai in the Sri Sai Satcharita that he once plunged his arm into boiling oil to take out some food. His arm was not affected. Well, Tahir Shah revealed how this trick is performed. Pour a cup of lime juice into the oil before it is heated. The juice boils sending bubbles cascading to the surface long before the oil is hot. That gives the impression that it is the oil which is boiling.
      In short, Shirdi Sai Baba practiced out and out fraud… whatever else he did. So I can fairly and truthfully criticize such incidents told by his devotees.

      • Vishwas permalink
        January 26, 2014 9:08 pm

        Sorry, he never made any one fraud.. He was genuine. Sun don’t need proof. To all atheist, my challenge. You say to us that Prove God doesn’t exist. I challenge you to Prove that God doesn’t exist. In the same way I can’t prove that who created God. In same way you can’t prove who created Vacuum. saying that where there is nothing there is vacuum is itself an assumption. if you don’t know then you can’t say anything without proof. I believe in Sai and strongly believe. It is my experiences with him.. If you prove to me that he doesn’t exist, I will believe you.. You can’t call me stupid. because both of us have no proof. In this sense, both are equally stupid.. Some people may misuse god, but some are genuine..

  7. September 13, 2010 5:15 am

    OM SAI RAM

  8. Amita permalink
    September 25, 2010 10:38 pm

    Hi… Please remember just as you are free to believe/ disbelieve as you wish, others (your kin included) are also entitled to their own beliefs/ disbeliefs. Having one set of beliefs does not make one superior to others with different beliefs.
    Anyway since you are no doubt a self-made and self-contained individual, hope you have the ability to overcome on your own every single problem you encounter in life.
    Good luck.

    • August 17, 2012 9:09 am

      There are beliefs and there are facts. Facts alone, not beliefs, enable humanity to overcome most problems eventually. Having beliefs make one inferior to those without beliefs who practice the experiential, empirical, scientific, knowledge-based spirit.

      • Vishwas permalink
        January 26, 2014 9:16 pm

        Please give me fact that God Doesn’t exist. We both believe in something. No offence. Still no proof, from where this vacuum comes ? So much void in this universe. Both are difficult to digest : whether from where god comes and also from where this universe comes… So, both of us believe in something.. Fact is that mediation help improving body system. It helps in making people happy, it helps in concentration.. I agree people use religion for wrong purpose (but those religion are monolithic). The religion which allow individual freedom are not totally wrong…

        • nitwitnastik permalink*
          January 22, 2015 1:47 pm

          It’s almost impossible to prove negatives. By the same token we can also show that Unicorns, Santa Claus and Yetis/Sasquatches exist just because no one can prove they don’t exist.

  9. Praveen permalink
    October 24, 2010 8:05 pm

    Hello nitwit, if and when you get into a deeply stressful situation (God forbid, you will not get into such situation hopefully) and you will find absolutely NO WAY out of it. You will realize in due course that it is NOT in your hands to steer the situation in your favor. That is when you rely completely on something outside YOUR domain of power/knowledge/control. Desperately hoping for a solution, only faith will make you survive. That faith for so many is Sai Baba. For you it could be the term called CHANCE. So be it.

    You may be totally correct in rationalizing all of the examples you mentioned. But the very fact that you are losing your own peace of mind and making it your mission to devalue others experiences tells a lot about your own state of growth as a human. You have a lot of maturation to do my friend.

    I also totally agree with Avinash. Well said my friend!

    As a child we are prone to develop our beliefs drawn from those around us. And rebelling against those beliefs is what makes one an Atheist in the first place. Then slowly re-building one’s OWN belief system while keeping rationality in self, makes it possible to transition back into being a believer albeit a new one.

    At some point you will know that ALL that you have been rebelling as an atheist WAS the FEAR of others beliefs being forced onto you and not against GOD himself.

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 7:57 am

      Fear of God what makes the so called thiests..As a kid you are tuned to believe in god and religion and after a while, some people who have the courage start “thinking” and others still live in the illusion and fear called God/baba

  10. sandeep permalink
    October 29, 2010 12:58 pm

    just tell me one thing………is it necessary to research on devotees beliefs……..first of all what do you know about shirdi sai baba……..if you are truely nastik dont belive any babas just do some good for society……..dont waste your time with these nonsense ideologies …………

    criticizing some one is very easy and also can expect good ratings…..

    • swathi permalink
      May 17, 2013 6:58 am

      If you dont want to belive baba please dont belive no problem but please its request dont project like this sandeep its really hurting who belives baba……

  11. mahalaki permalink
    November 15, 2010 5:52 pm

    Dear nastik

    Dont do that.. if u dont believe in baba its ur choice but dont ever dare to project him in a wrong way. i dont understand what ur trying to prove.

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 7:58 am

      He is trying to prove that he can think and can reason

  12. February 17, 2011 5:02 pm

    If u don’t believe in god, then that is your problem. But it is not right for u to create a blog and write things about baba. Sai baba never said he is god. People believed him to be god more so a guru! So pls keep ur crap to yourself and stop bragging that u don’t believe in baba! The world cares less about u’r thoughts on baba or any god!

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 7:59 am

      He did all these miracles for what reason? why didnt he use his miracles to take way hunger from this world? he was projecting himself so that people like you can glorify him

  13. April 8, 2011 12:28 pm

    Nitwit,

    A very good post. Stumbled on this site accidentally. What you commented is correct. Religion is nothing but a form of business. Its CEOs encash blind beliefs of its customers. Continue your good work.

    • Ritika permalink
      August 20, 2011 10:22 am

      Really Mr. Raju, I guess then you are as crappy as Nitwit, get a life…

      • Subba G permalink
        July 18, 2013 8:00 am

        Pls come out of the illusion Ritika

  14. venkatesh prasad ,bangalore permalink
    June 27, 2011 5:56 pm

    sai ram always helps whether u pray or not he is within U Me and every where.
    OM SAI RAM

    • swathi permalink
      May 17, 2013 6:59 am

      You are really correct……

  15. July 14, 2011 2:48 am

    nitwitnastik

    U know what means faith?

    If not then u really don’t know what God is.

    • Raj S. permalink
      February 3, 2012 11:12 pm

      Sure many people do not know god because those who claim to know have not been able to give an iota of evidence of its existense

      We all want an omnipotent and omnipresent power but unfortunately there is no such power. Come on now wake up and stop wasting your time.

      How about asking any of your guru or religios expert to arrange for a small or big puja to perform a miracle like curing blindness of 100 devotees ( because non believers like me perhaps do not deserve a miracle ) at one go or any other measurable miracle.

      A man who could not take care of himself during his old age how can he take care of others so many years afters his death.

      May god (if there is one) give light and wisdom to your followers !

      • February 24, 2012 5:27 am

        Raj S. You should make your name and address known, instead of hiding away behind a brief aka anon. ‘name’….but it seems you have the cowardliness of your convictions. You give away the fact that your are full of fanaticism and verbal poison. Shirdi Sai Baba was not the worst of Indian gurus, all reports show he he lived like a sannyasin – and, unlike the Sathya SB who stole his identity – never sexually assaulted or killed anyone. But to take all he said on trust is actually ridiculous… it is only a weakness in those who do so, a desperation for some meaning in life, some unearned help in living, or protection and relief from (irrational) fear about their own sins, karma and what may become of them after death (though it will all be only ashes or earth).

        • Raj S. permalink
          December 11, 2012 6:45 am

          Dear Mr. Priddy,

          Two points:

          1) I take it that u want to know the names and addresses of people who do not believe in Baba. I am too small a man for your attention. Well 99.99% of people do not believe in him. In fact most have never heard of him.

          2) U talked about how Satya Sai Baba stole the identity of Baba. But Baba could not do anything about it.

          So much for his powers.!

          Has it ever occurred to u that others may have a different view.

    • December 17, 2012 11:24 am

      Faith, yes. It is a crutch for those weak on facts and giving up oneself, hoping to die and get to where one hopes one will exist after death usually too!

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 8:01 am

      FAITH – Believe what a stupid says without asking questions..

  16. G SINGH permalink
    July 26, 2011 11:23 am

    Hey all devotees, please say anything to this person writing these kind of foolish things..thinking superior of himself. He is ill and sick, let sai baba do his work to cure his disease. He will soon be cured.

    And on the other side wise- man words if you can respect one then don’t dis-respect too.

    That is all.

  17. Ritika permalink
    August 20, 2011 10:10 am

    So Nitwik or watever shit you are,

    My suggestion is to stop your nonsense immidietly becoz I dont think anybody ever taught you how to respect others. It doesnot matter what relegion or caste you are but be a human first and learn how to respect other ppl’s feelings and religion or otherwise there is no difference between you and an animal, even my dog is better than you. You probably must be thinking that you are very smart and intelligent to pass those kinds of comments but let me tell you that you sound very very foolish and you are so damn stupid to make a fool out of yourself here in front of ppl. Nobody is asking you or forcing you to believe in Baba but you dare not speak anything against him becoz that will be equal to disrespecting your own parents and I am sure that you will not like that. Someone here said it right that you do not have the intellect to even understand his miracles, so agreed that you are a fool, but if you have some common sense which I doubt you do, then you can atleast try to understand some of his teachings and try to be a better human being. And also his teachings make perfect logical, scientific, moral and etical sense and definitely more sense than your crap…so if you have lil brains left in you, you should aplogize to all these ppl above and if you dont then even god cannot help you. 🙂

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      February 23, 2012 3:44 pm

      LOL..

      @Ritika ..I stopped blogging about religion a few years back but I enjoy coming back once in a while just to read wonderful comments like yours.

      You ask me to “respect” other people’s feelings but then go on to call me shit,animal, dog, foolish,stupid and fool.

      Btw yes I have read about baba and concluded that there’s not much to learn from his teachings that hasn’t been said or taught before.

      Good luck with your sai-blindness.

      • Raj S. permalink
        March 18, 2012 8:10 pm

        Dear Nitwit,

        Lot of people liked your blog. You have mentioned that you have stopped writing about religion. Curious to know the reason. Hope you will find the time and motivation to enlighten us with your comments.

        • nitwitnastik permalink*
          August 17, 2012 8:40 am

          Hi Raj,

          Thanks for your kind words. The reason I have stopped blogging has little to do with a reversion to faith ( if that’s what you were wondering). I am still a staunch atheist and do not foresee that changing in my lifetime. Family and career has taken priority now over blogging and I hardly find time for blogging these days. However, being an optimist, I am hopeful that someday I will be able return to the blogosphere. Hope I answered your question.

          NN

    • Raj S. permalink
      May 25, 2012 9:05 pm

      Miracles…………I wish he could use some of them on himself when he was ill and needed other’s help to even walk a bit. Funny this business of miracles.

    • Subba G permalink
      July 18, 2013 8:03 am

      ahhahaahhaah..how funny..sai baba is equal to a parent..it is sad to see a child de-grading his/her parent..grow up gal..

  18. Kavita permalink
    August 22, 2011 3:51 am

    Hi, I do believe in Baba, He is “Om Sai Ram.” May you get the power to undertand him & feel him in your inner heart. Every step we take, every move we make,every good thought I make every inch of our lives is blessing of Baba.. May he bless you too..
    And sooner or later you will believe him too…Trust me He is the only one who will hold your hand inspite of all the above crap..

    Jai Sai Ram!!!

  19. AVINASH permalink
    September 9, 2011 6:32 am

    Advice read Sai Satcharitra and see if you can stay with what you wrote. Sai Baba is everywhere, listening to us and two words dakshina to him “faith & courage” is all what is necessary.
    Don’t write based on your fractional encounters which made you think logically. Highly intelligent ones had to give up at once. What should I write more my friend. If you come across any unsolved situations in life just remember Sai and he will help you.

  20. Rajiv permalink
    October 9, 2011 3:13 am

    Dear Friend,

    In this world people worship Film actor and actress but never u said anything about foolish people who considers shaurukh or aamir khan as their god. May be u r trying to be rationslist. But I tell you here is one person Sai Baba who was selfless who lived as naked Fakir and lived for others and in a world where people fight for hindu and muslim was the first fakir who said SABKA MALIK EK HAI who removed the caste religion hatred from all being heart. Sai Baba is one Fakir who is worshipped by both Hindu and muslim so at a time when Brititsh were dividing hindu and muslim when Jinnah and other leaders divding and peple killing each other for religion Baba showed all people the human values of love and seva Jai Sai Ram

    • Raj S. permalink
      May 25, 2012 8:58 pm

      This is again a big myth that hindus and musllims both go to shirdi sai temples. I think Mulsims don’t go to hindu temples. even if it is a shirdi temple. So please let us not spread half truths.

      One more thing. I think most of the people who go to shirdi temples are not even aware that he was a muslim otherwise they would think twice before going there. Even shirdi management is very clever in this regard. They dont use his name any where like ………………. sai temple. Dotted lines are for his muslim name.

      A clarification : I have no issues if a musim is worshipped by hindus but let us be truthful and mention it boldly on shirdi temples.

  21. Sam permalink
    December 29, 2011 6:08 am

    Why don’t u shut ur mouth and stop writing crap about a topic which u don’t know. If u don’t believe just shut up

    • August 17, 2012 9:19 am

      Knows a great deal more than you think!

      • nitwitnastik permalink*
        December 17, 2012 9:32 am

        Thanks Robert !

        I still come back to read comments from Sai followers whenever I need a dose of laughter 😀

  22. Aastik permalink
    January 26, 2012 2:29 pm

    The world changes as per Time but the Truth never changes and Religon(Dharma/SAI) is the truth. Ok Mr.Nonsense.

  23. klnath permalink
    April 16, 2012 11:36 am

    I am reading about the comments and not able to understand why people are connecting Sai Baba with religion. Sai is not a part of Hindu religion and will never be. Hindu religion believes in Karma and not it babas. When a child is born, no parents prepare their child to be a baba and no teenage has any dream to be a baba in life but lately circumstances make some people Babas , because they find it easy.

    My next point is when a child enters a school the first teaching given to him/ her is all people are equal ( sabka malik ek ) and this is repeated many times by our teachers but unfortunately we forget it when we leave the gate of the school, Is ” Sabka malik Ek ” is any unique message which has never been given anyone else or we would not know it without any Baba.

    Can any Sai devotee tell that what should we learn from Sai’s life ? Sabka Maalik Ek was taught to me long time ago by my school teacher so dont need to learn from Sai. What else has he done for the mankind ?

  24. Vimal permalink
    May 7, 2012 8:41 pm

    Dear Nitwik

    I must say that you are one of the many unfortunate guys who are yet to be blessed by Shri Sai Baba. Let me tell you, your “special moment” of meeting or having faith on Sai Baba, is yet to arrive. Just remember one thing: You are definitely going to face a difficulty/defamation/problem/trouble etc sooner or later. Instead of cribbing then, I would seriously suggest you to pray/remember Sai Baba; and you will see the instant change/miracle happening all before you. Obviously then, I am sure you will correct all rubbish you have written in the blog and mind you, you will be then happy to change your writings in your blog, and that thanking all those who have shared and convinced you with their conviction on Shirdi Sai Baba. May you have the “moment of realization” soon- Regards, Vimalsairam

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      August 17, 2012 8:56 am

      I didn’t realize it would be such a joy to be so unfortunate 😉

    • August 17, 2012 9:21 am

      You sound like an unhinged soothsayer, would-be guru… prayer never changes anything except the mind of the one who prays, usually depleting their self-faith and awareness of reality.

  25. Manwar Singh permalink
    June 10, 2012 9:51 am

    what ever he says may be in his opinion he is right.But for all of us EAST OR WEST “SAI” IS THE BEST.

  26. June 22, 2012 7:52 am

    OM SAI RAM 🙂 Here after I studied all the persons comment I want to tell those all idiots stupid & rascals and all shit things ….. I never used this kind of words to say to anyone but this wrong & bad people made me to tell all this worst words … If you dont believe in baba then start trying ti believe that too from whole heartedly you will surely get your answers … But dont dare to tell wrong about baba … You will surely bear the very bad bad problems in your life … You are not having the right to tell anything about baba did you understand stupid guys … If you having that much dareNess come in front of us we all wish show you what is baba grace and what Damn you are ok … What are you all people thinking about yourselfs haan ……………….. We will show come or send your mail id or photo we people come to you where you want us to come we will come for our baba we will do anything you know … Tell me the you all damn crap house addresses we will come & show what baba is & what we are …….. Next time onwards if anyone writes this kind of crap things na we gonna show you what all we can do for baba to you……………….. And my sincerely & faithfully advising you that people to those who writing this kind of crap & stupid things about baba that please please please dont write this things about our baba … This is the request , warning,or whatever you think from my side & my friends who believes & trust on our baba … If you dont stop writing such things na then the result will be very very bad I & my friends warning and as well as baba also warning you people …….. Dont dare ok ……………….. JAI SAI RAM : )

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      August 17, 2012 9:00 am

      LOL !! So what were you saying?

    • August 17, 2012 9:22 am

      Anup Thakar… you are saying you are a potential criminal! Empty threats, hopeless delusion…

  27. August 29, 2012 12:46 pm

    Great conversations, need to have some balance………..

  28. Uma permalink
    September 27, 2012 11:12 pm

    Dear Baba Devotees,

    I’m sure you guys know what this blogger is trying to do….

    Dearest nitwitnastik,
    We are happy that you have choosen your way. Thanks for reminding all of us of BABA and his miracles… We LOVE you so much…. BABA is always with us and truly he is with you too.. you will definately see him one day…… Please keep on believing in yourself….

    Warm Regards,
    Your Well Wishers….

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      December 17, 2012 9:56 am

      Dear FSM Devotees,

      I’m sure you guys know what this commenter is trying to do….

      Dear Uma
      We are happy that you have choosen your way. Thanks for reminding all of us of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) and his miracles… We LOVE you so much…. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is always with us and truly he is with you too.. you will definately see him one day…… Please keep on believing in yourself…. 😀

      NN
      ( FSM Devotee)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

  29. Deep permalink
    November 24, 2012 11:43 am

    Mr. Nitwik…. When you consider posting anything on a public forum, I would recommend you to acquire sufficient knowledge before posting. You definitely have the freedom of speech, but you should also respect your freedom of speech. A true and honest Atheist is one who defends the theist beliefs with sufficient knowledge.

  30. Payel permalink
    December 16, 2012 10:37 pm

    Sai devotees, please don’t waste your time in explaining about our baba to this crap. Avinash, please don’t ask him to read Satcharitra, I believe a book so holy should not fall into wrong hands.

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      December 17, 2012 10:06 am

      LOL !!

      “I believe a book so holy should not fall into wrong hands”

      The fact that you have read it means it already has 😀

  31. Sai permalink
    December 18, 2012 1:39 am

    And you are still the same.. never changed a single piece ****** …. And you are repeating after people’s word …….. keep it up……

    • Gaurav permalink
      January 16, 2013 1:43 am

      Really ???? Dude what is your point??

  32. ajr permalink
    December 28, 2012 9:24 am

    Hello Mr Nastik,
    I understand your frustration on religion.But try to keep it with you.do not have to publish your concerns and frustration on peoples belief. I agree that people when they are emotionally weakened need the strength through some ways.Different people have different approach.Some people believe in god to strengthen them.Some people who truly believed in saibaba has miracles that changed their life.I hope one day u will be one of them .Believe in him.

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      January 15, 2013 11:21 pm

      “But try to keep it with you”

      Thanks for the suggestion. How about devotees keep their faith to themselves and not preach others ?

    • November 14, 2013 12:52 pm

      @ajr What a hypocrite!

      You start off with, “But try to keep it with you” and you finish your comment with, “Believe in him.”

  33. pooja permalink
    January 3, 2013 4:42 am

    So, what you think is stupid for people some might think it for you as well.If you don’t believe then don’t believe but you have no right to insult every body’s faith and devotion like this.

    • nitwitnastik permalink*
      January 15, 2013 11:22 pm

      “you have no right to insult every body’s faith and devotion like this”

      Says Who ? 🙂

      • Gaurav permalink
        January 16, 2013 1:40 am

        “Says Who” lol…. This blog gets funny with time… I can’t believe these nutjobs telling you that you have no right to question their belief but they pretty much know how you are going to burn in hell … As carlin would say if these morons are a creation of “god” I am left rather unimpressed

      • May 13, 2014 4:31 pm

        he nitwik ,
        do u knw that a dog do not understand wht inteligent people are reading,
        THISis the basic diffrnce btween dog and human,i think the same difrnce betwn u and us is that u do not undrstand the power of shri sainath,so urname shld be nitwik dog

    • November 14, 2013 12:50 pm

      Excuse me, everyone has the right to have their say. Just because you believe in some magic man doesn’t mean people can’t make fun of it. Ever heard of “freedom of speech and expressions?”

  34. pooja permalink
    January 3, 2013 4:47 am

    And one more thing if you post such crap about my baba then baba will never get angry with you but devotees will never tolerate and the day baba will feel like blessing you you will also see a miracle and then you will not get tired praising my baba so don’t say any thing that will leave you in regret and guilt for ever. Take it as an advice.

    • November 14, 2013 12:47 pm

      We keep hearing the same kind of nonsense from people of all other faiths. We will wait and see.

    • June 27, 2014 8:13 pm

      You say “advice” – but it sounds like you are making a threat.. Do you believe in freedom of expression..

  35. Gaurav permalink
    January 16, 2013 1:55 am

    I really appreciate your work…. I would love to reply back to every comment in here but that might take some time. It is mind blowing that people would believe in any crap and would try to convince others that their belief is the right way…. I just want to ask these people if they have ever witnessed any miracle…. Now please don’t come up with shit like I passed in an exam or your equally moronic spouse said yes to your proposal… I am talking some real miracle like gravity defying shit or let’s say frogs dropping from the sky… I do not believe you know any more than I do about life and vice-versa but I am at least not disillusioned

    • Anon permalink
      May 20, 2013 9:49 pm

      Every one knows a friend or a friend’s friend who witness miracles. But no one themselves witnessed any.
      I would like to to reply to all the believers here, but they are not worth my time.
      If Sai Baba can do miracles, why can’t he achieve world peace? why cant he make every one happy ? Why can’t he feed the dying children in Africa ?
      Most of all, why can’t he come in front of me and show me he is real ? Is he not worth my time? My importance is equal to every body else’s.
      I just hate it when people believe in miracles without evidence or anything, no way to argue with such people.
      Religion and Sai baba have been shoved on me ever since i was born , so I have all the right to shove atheism on believers.

  36. Human permalink
    June 7, 2013 12:09 pm

    I dont understand what the problem is??? I thought we all have a right of speech. if you are a firm believer, be that way, no one asked you to stop believing and if your faith is strong, things like this shouldnt shake you…..there is nothing wrong in expressing your opinion. People who dont believe dont go around and calling names and saying crazy things on blogs where the god is being promoted right? add a comment if you have something significant to contribute, if you dont, leave it there!!!

  37. Priya permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:47 am

    @nitwitnastik,@Gaurav and who all supported @nitwit: I didn’t really read your whole article in detail because skimming through itself leads a Sai devotee to undergo great pain. You hardly know an inch about Baba. Be mature in your thinking. It is peoples belief in him(Sai) or any god that does half of the job they wanted. Baba never said he is the lord, he always said he is the obedient servant of the lord. He is the definition of a true saint, sadguru. @Gaurav: Passing in an exam or spouse saying yes to proposal are not shit miracles, for some passing an exam itself is a miracle, If you don’t believe in their miracles you have no right to say that they are shit. Each has their own definition of miracle. So many millions of devotees still worship Sai, think of him always, It is not an ordinary thing and we all are not fools. A human being thinks that he knows everything, but we truly can never understanding the complete theory of nature and super natural forces that surround us. No Sai devotee will force you to believe in him, they will let you know their experiences and give you freedom to choose. They respect your NO as ignorance and YES as self realization.

  38. Lets be true permalink
    September 1, 2013 7:27 am

    http://www.vishvarupa.com/Robert_Priddy/ read who is Robert Priddy

  39. Lets be true permalink
    September 1, 2013 7:28 am

    I found him on wikipedia and he is not there look for yourself

    • January 22, 2015 3:31 pm

      Read in full who Gerald Moreno is, the no 1. deluded Robert Priddy hater, web troll, web stalker, liar, distorter, pedant, defamer of hundreds of dissidents of numerous gurus, and low-minded man in psychological denial who dies in 2010 aged only 39. See https://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/moreno/

      My page was removed from Wikipedia after about 12 years on-line, defended as to be kept by a unanimous panel of by moderators (who banned Moreno) but it was rmoved by wiki trolls supported by an administrator who is a lover of all gurus. Still, the Robert Priddy remained on the German Wikipedia (and can bes automatically translated there too).
      see http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/16/biblio.htm

  40. November 1, 2013 7:33 am

    Read this great article then browsed more..I would like to give one more chance to these readers. The article on con sai baba is right…check this eye opening link http://haribhakt.com/hindus-open-your-eyes-sai-baba-is-fake-god-exposed/ and you will be pleasantly surprised to know truth. Because even after reading this, I stopped believing this kanwa baba.

  41. Saurav permalink
    March 21, 2014 3:05 am

    I am a born Hindu but when into the refuge of the Buddha and his Dhamma. Firstly any faithful who wants to believe any particular sect should not go into believing by just emotions. Emotions are a weakness not strength of a religion. It is through emotions that Muslims commit so many acts of violence also it is through emotions that countless followers of Hindu religions and their various deities whether Krishna, Shiva or the latest entrant Shirdi Sai baba are fascinated and drawn to him.
    Unfortunately their emotions lead them nowhere. The way in which these so called Bhakths claim miracles to have happened in their life by these Gods and is stupid and more often than not is a Selfish desire (Like let me get that girl or job or let my children get this or that). Cant help such emotional people.

  42. June 27, 2014 8:10 pm

    Glad to read a voice of reason… actually common sense.

    One does not need to be a rationalist, or an atheist in order to question some of the issues. Shirdi Sai Baba may be a great saint, but please don’t say he can do miracles. Mother Teresa did not do miracles. Nor did Sai Baba. Neither did Ganesha’s statue’s ever drink milk.

    I believe in the principle, “whatever floats your boat” – i.e. religion is a personal issue. But , if someone questions the so-called ‘miracles’… thats definitely a fair thing to do, to question miracle-claims.

    Shirdi Sai Baba was a humble fakir..who did good with his community. The ostentatious, lavish way that he is worshipped would be repulsive to him… He would have sung a sufi verse in Urdu, instead of the usual bhajans. Plus , there is the historical distortion about his past, and origins..

  43. Ramana permalink
    August 24, 2014 8:35 pm

    Shirdi sai baba, Satya sai baba, Bala sai baba and BABA ( Rajnikanth )

  44. sai permalink
    October 15, 2014 12:47 pm

    You are a nasty nit twit¡

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